Well, here is a mystery solved . . or is it?.

76 Responses to “Well, here is a mystery solved . . or is it?.”

  1. Kwai Chang says:

    And, because you watched a missle lift off with your own eyes…
    you think it went to the moon?
    And why do you think that?
    You have no proof.
    Mythbusters said so?
    Ha ha ha!
    Don’t bore us
    get to the chorus!
    KC

  2. Kwai Chang says:

    That’s called The TV Song(Smoke And Mirrors)
    here are some lyrics…
    “It’s show biz, baby. Television is fake? Of course it is.”
    KC

  3. mcarp555 says:

    Let’s ask the reverse: why would you not think we went to the moon? We have the rocks; we have the photos; we can still bounce lasers off the mirrors the astronauts left; we have photos of the landing sites that clearly show rover tracks around the abandoned descent stages. I don’t understand this vogue for not believing in things that clearly have proof.

  4. Kwai Chang says:

    TV ISN’T proof…
    THAT was my original gripe
    and, it is why I felt betrayed to find that the so-called organic realness
    was really just a day-at-the-soundstage.
    The intensity was ‘produced’ for maximum impact.
    It was presented as natural…
    and it was so refreshing to have something real to identify with.
    The truth is ALL Ed Sullivan shows are simply built on the same template.
    I wonder what day Ed is made to sober up and tape his spots…
    I guess they should have left the violins in the shot for the 1965 show…
    I would have bought it.
    I am the biggest Beatle fan on the planet.
    I don’t want the very thing that attracted me to be anything but real.
    I would think that this discourse has given TV enough transparency to understand that it IS production and very non-organic.
    The illusion can cast hypnotic spells on subjective nerve receptors that lead directly to your wallet…I don’t want trouble…just reality.
    If TV shows are really just to fill the space between the commercials…
    perhaps, they are commercials as well.
    Thank you, mcarp555.
    I am very happy to know that somebody thinks I’m worth standing up to…yet, still tolerates my viewpoints. Would they let us do it on stage for the Ed Sullivan Show? They might, but it would only be LIVE…on TV.
    Peace, Friend.
    KC

  5. mcarp555 says:

    Kwai, don’t confuse the packaging with the product. Watch any number of Beatles performances and see how many are done with unplugged guitars and basses. Is it fakery, or the best way to get decent sound out of 1960’s TV speakers? We all know there were studio tricks done in Abbey Road, but that’s part of the process. No harm, no foul.

    As far as I know (not much), “Yesterday” was the only song done on Sullivan that required taped backing (other than obvious videos like “Paperback Writer” and “Rain”). Given the nature of the arrangement, it’s understandable. I’d rather hear Paul sing live over taped strings than the way the band played it at the Budokan.

    I used to know someone who had some Armed Forces radio shows on vinyl, to be played to the troops abroad (this was back in the 70’s or 80’s. One of the tracks was “Revolution” (the B-side version), which they oddly had a DJ introduce as if they were in the studio. The girl who owned the record was convinced it really was the Beatles, playing exactly like the record (w/Nicky Hopkins on keyboard). She couldn’t be dissuaded otherwise. Go figure.

  6. Kevin says:

    The new Lewisohn book has some real eye-opening details that debunk a lot of myths held for over 50 years.
    For example; Even Paul & Pete (the only Beatles left from this era) didn’t really know the whole story about why The Beatles really got an audition at EMI and why George Martin agreed to take them.

    It’s worth investing in, even if you choose not to believe Lewisohn, which many fans do. Hard to give up on stories you thought were accurate going back to your first days as a Beatlefan; in my case that would be Feb.7, 1964 watching them deplane at New York and about to make history.

    I would love at some point to hear Paul’s take on the revelations, other than just his song lyrics in his recent track “Early Days.” And George Martin’s reaction as well, since he knows what really happened.

    “All is not what it appears to be”… Check out the new movie Documentary “The Wrecking Crew” and see who really played on dozens of legendary songs from dozens of great American Rock groups and bands in the 1960’s. This movie in a mind-blower on what really happened. You will appreciated The Beatles and other english bands from that period all the more…

  7. big picture: CBS/Ed Sullivan stuck their necks out and took a band no one in the States had never seen before and threw them in the #1 prime time show in the world at the time. let’s save our angst over BIGGER villains: like how Capitol in the US annihilated the Beatles albums in the sake of commerce over art. I mean I don’t mind companies making a buck or three, but I think all of us would like to shove our foot up Capitol’s ^#@ for that desecration.

    and thanks to Kevin for the heads up on the movie about the Wrecking Crew. Hal Blaine, one of my favorite drummers, and one of the all time greats imo. The Wrecking Crew and The Funk Brothers: 2 badass studio bands that had talent dripping from their collective pores.

  8. i have a drums question: there’s a pic of george h. in the studio in the states in ’68, he’s sitting behind hal blaine’s drums. blaine once said that George loved his setup so much that he wanted to get a similar kit for Ringo. So is that how Ringo’s kit on Abbey Road sounds so distinctive, did George get him a Hal Blaine-esque drum kit for that session?

    Thanks.

  9. Kwai Chang says:

    Epilogue:
    I was a seed watching myself grow
    and suddenly,
    I began to worry.
    Is there any debt owed from the root to the branch?
    Or, versa vice…
    is to completely miss the point.
    I should have been satisfied that The Beatles greatest attribute is that they give a lot of completely real/LIVE people a beautiful platform on which to gather and assemble.
    And, I did say I was anti-hero…
    but, who among us is without flaw?
    I have three LIVE heroes that I love to listen to…
    Tammy, henry_the_horse, ACAARAARAAR.
    I know you, you know me!
    One sweet dream came true today
    KC

  10. Kevin says:

    @Johnny; I second that salute to both The Funk Brothers (Standing In The Shadows Of Motown) and The Wrecking Crew! And a third film “20 Ft. From Stardom” which won the 2014 Academy Award for Best Documentary is about all the back-up singers who made the stars in the rock bands sound even better. They also now have their own film to document their contribution to the greatest decade of R&R; The 1960’s!!!

  11. i hear ya kevin. there was a book about james jamerson that came out about 25 yrs ago or so. there was a flexidisc that came with the book – on it Paul McC did a nice spoken word intro on behalf of jamerson and his talents. Rock on brothers and sisters.

  12. Kwai Chang says:

    Thanks, Johnny and Kevin.
    Your Wrecking Crew stuff reminded me…
    Yesterday HAS to be to best return from the least investment in The Beatles career. Wasn’t it recorded in 2 takes? Performed once LIVE in England and once LIVE on Ed.
    All of it with precision timing. Yesterday And Today album released the day before Ed Sullivan. The single in picture sleeve within a month. The retail pump was primed for maximum returns.
    I wonder which spiked more…humidity, or units sold.
    All other songs cost more to record than Yesterday…but, profits and publishing revenue…Good God!
    And, I thought the whole time
    it was about emotional investment that paid romantic dividends.
    Count me, IN!
    KC

  13. mcarp555 says:

    But remember publishing went to Dick James, then Michael Jackson, and now Sony. Publishing doesn’t depend on records sold, or how much it cost to record. It probably wasn’t the cheapest Beatles song to record, since they had to pay the outside musicians, and Martin might have extracted a fee for doing the arrangement.

    Interesting question – which song was cheapest to record, but brought in the most profit? If we exclude publishing, I’d guess ‘Twist and Shout’ since it was done in one take, only included the band, and has had a gazillion plays on radio. Other one-take songs (‘Kansas City/Hey-Hey-Hey-Hey’ and ‘Maggie Mae’) didn’t have much cultural impact or strong enough sales to factor. ‘Strawberry Fields’ or ‘A Day In The Life’ (and many others) were expensive to record, even though their return on culture/bank balance were considerable.

  14. Kwai Chang says:

    I would think that, today, every studio at 3 Abbey Road is equipped with enough cameras to completely document the session digitally. Available for use concurrently. That would be really cool to have it all to watch.
    That was way too expensive for The Beatles. Now, I bet the facility videos everything anyway…for liability purposes.

  15. mcarp555 says:

    I doubt that. But then, I doubt the need to ‘document’ everything; I don’t have a facebook account, or even a mobile phone. I’d be surprised if any of the Abbey Road studios had any permanent cameras other than the standard security ones.

  16. I forgot that Yesterday was cut in one take. Well, you can safely bet any amt of money that JG&R wish Ob La Di Ob La Da was also cut in only 1 take :-)

  17. Mr Horse, thank you so much for your help in this thread, I’m sure often times it must get frustrating having such an encyclopedic knowledge of something, and trying to help non tech heads such as I understand technical concepts. Where I came unstuck was thinking Pauls guitar was live to a taped string backing, and the synch problems that would have caused. But now I kapish all it took was for Paul to use the backing sound of the guitar to know when to start to sing. I shall sleep much better tonight.

  18. I’m not getting involved in conspiracy talk, next thing you know people will be doubting the existence of Miss Tammy: Duchess of Oven

  19. Is it true the week after the Fabs 65 Ed appearance they started broadcasting in colour?.

  20. Kwai Chang says:

    Ed says so…
    I’ve always considered it a bit audacious to let the last B&W broadcast be The Beatles final bow. It could be nostalgia for the olden days(Feb64).
    But it could have also looked forward with much deadlier accuracy.
    “Alright, next week tune in for our very first color transmission…guests include The Beatles, Their Dentist…”

  21. Kwai Chang says:

    I meant…
    I don’t know anything about the show except the 2dvd set of Beatles On Ed.
    I don’t know if color arrived on cue.

  22. One of the best lines I ever heard: “When they sang All My Loving on Ed Sullivan, millions of Beatles fans were born. And as soon as they sang Till There Was You, millions of Rolling Stones fans were born”. :-)

  23. Kwai Chang says:

    @Johnny Silver…
    Very nice.
    I’d never heard it put so profoundly!
    We ain’t at the Star Club anymore.

  24. there was chat earlier about John & George’s attitudes to some of Paul’s songs in ’68-’69…who knows, maybe that angst goes back many years before that – i could see John and/or George being embarrassed by TTWY. on the other hand, hell, you got a once in a lifetime chance to cash in on the ed sullivan show. maybe they (Epstein) thought TTWY would be a song that would keep the parents from turning the channel. who knows.

  25. stephenmcg says:

    A couple of months later they made “music of lennon and mccartney”tv programme,where everything is fake,no audience ..but they clap,peter sellers is in a different studio..as time went on it get more bizarre.In “revolution”clip(not in frosts studio though thats what audiences were supposed to believe)paul has a speaker but no amp for his bass.
    In the xmas TOTP of 1967 after showing the our world “all you need is love”
    film the dj says “that was a hectic day in the totp studio”,5 months after the event..who was supposed to fall for that one?

  26. Harold says:

    Yes! For a fact ti is the rehearsal for “Yesterday” on Ed Sullivan 1965. Nice shot

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