GIBSON SG, NUFF SAID:

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  1. Jim says:

    Les Paul Macca

  2. Philalban7 says:

    NME Pollwinners. Les Paul?

  3. Philalban7 says:

    Has anyone else noticed that Paul appears to have started growing a moustache on the footage that exists of this? It was 4 months after the moped accident where he chipped his tooth and maybe he felt a bit self-concious. The Rain/Paperback Writer promo films came shortly after this performance so he obviously had second thoughts and got rid of it until Sgt Pepper.

  4. A Car And A Room And A Room And A Room says:

    No footage was filmed of either the Beatles nor the Stones at the NME Pollwinners Concert on May 1st 1966 – due to a dispute with the ABC-TV (UK) cameramen over the sound. The previous two years, the TV sound mix for the 1964 and ’65 NME shows was pretty abysmal. Who was to know the Fabs’ five-song set would be their last concert performance in Britain.

  5. Philalban7 says:

    The footage I refer to is of course the awards ceremony at the end. Such a shame that none of their performance exists. And to think six months later they were working on Strawberry Fields Forever!

  6. Kwai Chang says:

    Then all pics of this should show Paul’s tooth broken…
    (confirmable?)

  7. Philalban7 says:

    Yes Kwai!

  8. Philalban7 says:

    Kwai, I can pm you a screenshot.

  9. Philalban7 says:

    Better still. Look here at 8.43….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-PwXZG1TbE

  10. Mike says:

    Yeah, Pauls tooth is a well known story, just watch clips to Paperback Writer or Rain but this moustache looks like 1 day old really, innit

  11. Philalban7 says:

    …but a moustache none the less! :-)

  12. Jim says:

    The so-called “SG” models (1961–1963) are actually named Les Paul SGs.

  13. Philalban7 says:

    George’s SG was from ’64 so not a Les Paul/SG. Also you wrote ‘Les Paul Macca’ hence my reply. Please don’t take this the wrong way! I’m not in competition :-)

  14. Kwai Chang says:

    @Philalban7…
    Thank you…I still find it amazing that Paul didn’t fix it for months
    (cool proof)

  15. Jim says:

    Right, it doesn’t have his name on it. For all intents and purposes, however, all SGs are from the line of Les Paul guitars.

  16. Kwai Chang says:

    @Jim…
    are the components of both guitars identical?
    I’m just wondering then if the SG stigma is purely cosmetic?
    I do like the SG look way better…
    But does the different body mass/shape account for any variation in tone? Also, can anyone tell me how you get correct intonation on a right handed guitar after restringing it for a left hander???
    It doesn’t seem possible.
    Also…are Epiphones really Gibon’s cheaper guitars?
    Do they sound better?
    Why did they get so fond of them?
    Anyone? (I’m no musician…but these are legit concerns)

  17. Bob says:

    KC: You ask a lotta questions! I just wanna say that my cherry red SG with black pickups, purchased new in 1969 (and now long gone), had poor intonation due to its weak neck. I’ve never owned a Les Paul but from playing a few they seem more solid and weigh more. Within the neck is a “truss rod” which affects intonation and can be adjusted, but whether it’ll accomodate a left-handfer, I dunno – ask an expert!

  18. Bob says:

    Left-winger, left-fielder, left-brainer … you know what I mean, a Leftie!!

  19. Philalban7 says:

    Hi Kwai. You directed the question at Jim but I’ll try to answer if that’s ok. The Gibson Les Paul was introduced in 1952 but was withdrawn in 1960 due to a decline in sales. They completely redesigned it in 1961 into what we now call the SG. The new design used the same electrics but was a different shape and much thinner. It was still called the the Les Paul ‘solid guitar’ (where the S.G. bit comes from) until 1963 when Les Paul (the person) asked for his name to be removed. He claimed that it wasn’t the guitar he’d helped design.
    Although they used the same pickup’s there was a difference in tone due to the Les Paul having a much thicker body. They are also very different instruments to play. SG’s are a little more neck heavy. Many SG’s also have tremolo/vibrato arms.
    Re: intonation – it’s quite simple to change intonation from right handed to left. Each string has it’s own saddle so you just move the screw until the intonation is correct for each string. The position of the controls and which side the tremolo arm is attached are probably the only things to worry about when playing a right handed guitar left handed. It didn’t worry Hendrix though!
    Re: Epiphone – Not sure why they went over to Epiphones. They’re not my favourite sounding but I like the look. They were probably cheaper than Gibsons but I wouldn’t have thought that was the reason they had them. More likely a deal that Epstein made.

  20. Don Percy says:

    Hi “A Car And A Room And A Room And A Room”

    I’ve always fantasized that perhaps the concert was filmed – and that the dispute came in-between the filming and the airing – causing it to not be seen. Is that possible!? (I suppose, even it it was – the footage would have surfaced by now, had it been kept…) :(

  21. Kwai Chang says:

    Thanks Bob, and Philalban7
    all of that help is much appreciated…
    did George play the SG in Tokyo?
    Or did Paul play the Ricky bass in Tokyo?
    (they took them with them)
    also…can the intonation on an acoustic guitar be correct when restrung right to left if the saddle is non-adjustable? I just have a feeling that this may have resulted in ‘special’ tunings on some songs…
    Thanks

  22. Don Percy says:

    Hey Philalban7 – re-watching the 1966 Poll Winners award ceremony (that you linked us to) reminded me of how self-conscious Paul looked about his teeth – he’s trying to hide as he speaks – keeping his mouth small – and chin down. Despite all contrary political talk, I wonder whether this had more to do with the refusal to be filmed than anything else…!? Paul’s vanity? Brian’s sense of “Image”? etc. And the Stones just followed suit!?

  23. Kwai Chang says:

    why does it take more than 5 months to get to a dentist?
    It’s not just a Beatle…it’s the Unmarried One
    (vanity???…in Swinging London???…mysterious to me)

  24. James says:

    If you watch the youtube video of the presentation at the NME’s 1966 its quite odd in the way John gets the award as runner up world vocalist and best Bristish vocalist, he then proceeds to move towards the mike and has it pulled away from him as he does, indeed no speaches were made by any of the winners and its just funny to watch the way they held that event, I mean John wasnt a keen speach maker but this was out of order, it was awkward and very square of em, no wonder they never really bothered much after it all of going for awards, what a joke!hell John could have made one of his wittiest remarks and thye snatched the mike away!..good old blighty eh?

  25. Mike says:

    I will look for it, I got somewhere picture from one magazine from early 1966 where are the pics of Beatles and short articles about each of them. As far as I remember the one about Paul was whole about his chiped tooth and why he didn`t fix it straight away. As far as I can remember he was just afraid of the dentist and he wanted to leave it as it was but of course Brian kept bothering him to sort that out as that was – as we all know – to visible.

  26. Kwai Chang says:

    Thanks Mike…
    very cool info…
    (Paul afraid of the dentist?)
    must be that psychedelic novacaine

  27. A Car And A Room And A Room And A Room says:

    Hi, Dan Percy, the only known footage of the Beatles actual performance at the 1966 NME Pollwinners Awards concert was a brief 8-mm home movie that came up for auction here in London back in the 80s and is now presumably languishing unseen in a private collection somewhere. Kwai, George played the SG on stage at Munich but never seen any evidence of him playing during Japan concerts. (nor Paul playing the Ricky bass).

  28. Kwai Chang says:

    Why the extra hassle…(of lugging them around)?
    Thanks. I am defeated over the tooth.
    I can’t believe(but now am convinced) that Paul wandered around like snaggletooth for that length of time. Especially when he appears so self-conscious of it. Doesn’t make sense…except the Lysergic phobia…
    (that might just do it)
    “now, open your gorble and say aghh”!!!

  29. Jocelyn says:

    @Kwai

    Having spare guitars and a bass while touring is for those times when a string breaks. Simply swap guitars for the next song while the broken string is replaced, or simply finish the set using the spare.

    Also, the Epiphone guitars used by the Beatles don’t have much to do with the Epiphone guitars sold today. The ones used by the Beatles were made in the USA and high quality. THe ones sold new today are either built in either China or Korea and are not yet up to the same quality as the older USA-made ones. I’ll leave it up to the reader to do more research on the history of the Epiphone name.

  30. Kwai Chang says:

    Thanks, Jocelyn…
    I agree…like a spare Hofner Bass or a Gretsch C.Gent since they were in heavy rotation…I appreciate the reply.

  31. mcarp555 says:

    Paul bought his Epi Casino because he wanted a hollowbody with a Bigsby, and the Casino was the only model available with that option. Amazingly he never seems to have considered getting a left-handed model, which I’m sure Epiphone would have bent over backwards to supply him with.

    John & George got their Casinos later, no doubt as a direct result of Paul having one.

  32. Jocelyn says:

    @Kwai,

    You’re welcome!

    @mccarp555,

    Your comment about Epiphone bending over backwards reminded me of my curiosity about why ALL the guitar manufacturers didn’t send send to the Beatles a freebie of each of their guitar, bass, and amp models over as samples. Had any of the Fabs used a model in a film or TV appearance, the sales would easily have made up for the freebie. They did receive a few gifts from Fender, Rickenbacker, and Gretsch, but I don’t think Gibson ever sent them anything.

  33. Tammy says:

    Can you imagine if you could transplant this concert to today, can you imagine what you could charge for a ticket to see The Rolliing Stones AND The Beatles on the same bill!? .. like what?, twenty grand for a ticket?, they’d get that for sure.

  34. A Car And A Room And A Room And A Room says:

    … Not to mention The Who, The Yardbirds, The Small Faces, Dusty, Spencer Davis Group, Cliff & The Shads, etc, etc, Check out the line-up: (bottom right on link):
    http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=453764

  35. henry_the_horse says:

    The SG has a longer neck tenon than the Les Paul. McCartney bought his E230TD Casino as a result of a conversation with John Mayall. Since he was going to play the guitar exclusively in the studio, he mated it with a Fender Bassman piggyback amp. The first appearance of the guitar is during the Christmas 1964 concerts, at the dressing room of the Odeon Theatre. Sixteen months later Harrison and Lennon got themselves each a E230TD Casino and a piggyback Fender amp, Showman amps that is.

  36. Kwai Chang says:

    @A Car…Small Faces were happening!!! so much potential but lacking all the cool logistics that the FABs had the best of…
    @henry…split all the hairs you want…
    I can see them…so, thanks for all of that

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